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View this email online by Linda Holmes Welcome! It was the week when Jerry Seinfeld was still mad about ... something. It was the week when Baby Reindeer kept getting messier. And it was the week when the Tony nominations came out. Let's get to it. 'Hacks' proves the value of letting a story play out It's pretty sad to find yourself referring to a third season of an Emmy-winning show as an example of streamers letting something run for a decent length of time. And, while many of us have a sense that "everything gets canceled so fast!," there's some nuance about how true that really is. Some of that depends on how you handle the knotty question of the "limited series." But boy, it sometimes seems like everything gets canceled awfully fast. And in that environment, seeing Hacks return for a third season that's perhaps its strongest yet is a reminder that, given the chance, good shows often pay off over time in ways that can't be realized in their first, hottest, premise-establishing, character-establishing runs. Ava (Hannah Einbinder), left, and Deborah (Jean Smart) in Hacks. Max We first got to know Ava (Hannah Einbinder), a young comedy writer who thought she was very cool and very progressive, when she reluctantly went to work as a writer for Deborah Vance (Jean Smart). Deborah was slowly ossifying at her long-running casino gig, and she felt like she needed something fresh — not that she was really willing to listen to Ava all that much. The two women have been through a lot since then, including an estrangement or two (Ava wrote a horrible note about Deborah to people who wanted to destroy her; Deborah slapped Ava in the face for calling her a hack; nobody's perfect). At the end of the second season, the two parted ways after Deborah had some newfound success and realized Ava needed to go work on her own career. So naturally, at the beginning of the third season, we find Deborah enjoying a new kind of success as a more interesting performer, but also a ... perhaps we can say "cooler" one. (She just did a Super Bowl commercial!) Ava, meanwhile, is a writer on a good comedy show. Will their fates lead them back together? Of course, yes. We know this. But what makes Hacks interesting at this stage is that Ava and Deborah remain themselves, but they've been affected by the things we've seen happen to them since their relationship started. The Ava we know now would never approach Deborah with the arrogance and dismissiveness that she did in the first season, and the Deborah we know now would never treat Ava as insensitively as she often did then. They've evolved professionally, too. There's a good scene early on in the new season in which Deborah realizes that popular success has made it extremely easy to get laughs without trying very hard. She doesn't actually have to be good – just like she didn't in Vegas, when her audience snoozily accepted her material. But now, having done all the work she's done, she has more of an interest in being good; it unsettles her to get the kind of adulation she once believed she wanted. Being a hack, this scene suggests, is less about being bad than it is about not caring whether you're good. And Ava is less grasping now, less on the outs with the comedy world. The gag of her having been "canceled" over a tweet is pretty much over, which is good, since there is not another drop to be wrung out of that idea. This kind of thing, characters growing and changing, is far from revolutionary. It's the very reason for serialized storytelling to exist in the realm of character-based comedies as opposed to pure joke factories. But you usually cannot accomplish this kind of change with a single season, or even with two six- or eight-episode runs. What you're now seeing with Hacks is the upside of even a little bit of patience, of affording the time for a pair of characters to spend time together and apart and be affected by each other. It also allows for things that might be a little bit out of balance in the beginning to change. When Hacks started, my biggest hesitation was that I could not stand Ava. It's not that she wasn't likable (Deborah wasn't either, really). But Ava was so obnoxious and so arrogant that it crossed over into a place where ... I didn't care. I wanted her to get fired and go away forever. It didn't help that she rarely seemed funny enough to be a good comedy writer. Whether it's me learning to understand her better, or the show and Einbinder presenting her a little differently, Ava is now more like Deborah, to me: flawed and messy and consumed by ego at times, but plausibly talented and basically decent. I also have really grown to appreciate the dynamic between Deborah and Ava's agent, Jimmy (Paul W. Downs, who co-created Hacks with Jen Statsky and Lucia Aniello) and his assistant, Kayla (Megan Stalter). At first, despite Stalter offering a dynamite performance, Kayla came off a bit pitiful, begging for Jimmy's attention with a kind of vulgarity that he answered with exasperated disgust. But particularly since Jimmy left his agency and he and Kayla struck out on their own, they've become a truly cooperative pair, and while they are both still a lot, Jimmy gets the fact that his assistant has talents and abilities beyond just her devotion to him. I have my small complaints about the third season, most of which have "but" statements attached: I could certainly have done with a little more from Marcus (Carl Clemons-Hopkins), but what the show gives us works very well. I'm not sure they needed a "college students and cancellation" story later in the season, but they do a solid job with it once they're there. And there is a creative decision made toward the end of the season that I know I will be arguing about with people who love this show, but I am intrigued by how it does or does not fit into the season. This is all good, though. It's chewy and complicated, and that comes from a kind of breathing room that giving a show eight half-hour episodes just isn't going to give you. The result is that a show that's always been funny and prickly and full of wonderful performances is also, in this season, a more compelling story about people. Newsletter continues after sponsor message We Recommend Rachel Martin, whom many of you will know from her years at Morning Edition, is now hosting an interview/game-show hybrid podcast called Wild Card. The first episode features a conversation with Jenny Slate, and I very much recommend you check it out. If you follow discourse around public spectacles and unethical television, you may have heard of the story of a Japanese game show in which a man known as Nasubi lived naked and hungry in a small room for more than a year. it. But the new Hulu documentary The Contestant has the benefit of not only Nasubi's participation, but that of producer Toshio Tsuchiya, who ran the show and continues to seem proud of it. Netflix is continuing to try to make live TV events work; the latest effort finds John Mulaney in Los Angeles for the streamer's comedy festival talking to the many funny people who are in town. They're calling it John Mulaney Presents: Everybody's in L.A. It kicks off tonight (Friday) at 10:00 p.m. Eastern, and then there will be episodes every night next week from Monday to Friday. Will it be good? Don't know. Will Netflix have a better live presentation than it's sometimes had in the past? Hope so! Listen to the Podcast Sponsor-Free Support your favorite pop culture junkies AND listen without sponsor interruptions with a subscription to Pop Culture Happy Hour+! Learn more and sign up at plus.npr.org/happy. Learn More What We Did This Week George Rexstrew as Edwin Payne in Dead Boy Detectives. Netflix Glen was joined by Nikki Birch and Joelle Monique to talk about Netflix's Dead Boy Detectives. Joelle calls it "so gay in the best way." Aisha, Stephen, Glen, and I all got together for our summer guide, where we name some of the movies, TV shows, and music we're most excited about over the next few months. What very hot celebrity did Aisha lightly shade with the comment, "After this movie, I've remembered his name"? You'll have to find out for yourself. Glen and great friend of the show Guy Branum worked through the complexities of Netflix's very popular Baby Reindeer. "The true genius of the show," Glen says, "is the bait and switch." I didn't entirely love the Anne Hathaway romcom The Idea of You, but I did love talking about it with Stephen, former PCHH producer Candice Lim, and Wailin Wong. Rarely does anyone on the show make a declaration as delightful as this, from Candice: "Everyone needs to put their yearning boots on, because it's kissing season." One of my favorite movies of the year so far is the Ryan Gosling action comedy The Fall Guy, and I had a great time sharing my enthusiasm with Stephen, Glen, and Aisha. I really did say "yay" and clap my hands in the middle of the movie, just like I acknowledge I did in this conversation. What can I tell you? It's a good time. What's Making Us Happy Every week on the show, we talk about some other things out in the world that have been giving us joy lately. Here they are: Glen Weldon: The Nice Guys Aisha Harris: The Vanessa Williams song "Legs" Stephen Thompson: Arooj Aftab's new album Night Reign Linda Holmes: Planet Zoo Stream your local NPR station. Visit NPR.org to find your local station stream. Subscribe to Pop Culture Happy Hour+. Your support helps make our show possible and unlocks access to our sponsor-free episodes. What do you think of today's email? We'd love to hear your thoughts, questions and feedback: pchh@npr.org Enjoying this newsletter? Forward to a friend! They can sign up here. Looking for more great content? Check out all of our newsletter offerings — including Music, Books, Daily News and more! You received this message because you're subscribed to Pop Culture Happy Hour emails. 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