Hegseth’s 4-step confirmation dance

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Pete Hegseth, President-elect Donald Trump's nominee to be secretary of Defense, testifies.

Pete Hegseth, President-elect Donald Trump's nominee for Defense secretary of Defense, testifies during his confirmation hearing. | Francis Chung/AP

HEGSETH’S HEARING BLUEPRINT

Senate Democrats on the Armed Services Committee hounded Pete Hegseth over his past comments about women serving in combat. They hammered him on his lack of experience managing anything close to the scale of the Department of Defense. They even tried to get a rise out of him by bringing up his marriage vows.

Yet Republicans left Hegseth’s confirmation hearing on Tuesday sounding even more confident the Senate would confirm him.

It’s a posture that would have seemed unbelievable just weeks ago, when allegations of sexual misconduct leveled against the former Fox News personality and combat veteran threatened to doom his nomination for secretary of Defense before it officially began.

Hegseth on Tuesday not only effectively coped with his tense hearing, he also laid out a blueprint of sorts for Trump’s other embattled nominees to follow: (1) Back away from past controversial statements. (2) Deny any alleged wrongdoing. (3) Sidestep questions you don’t want to answer. (4) If all else fails, blame it on a liberal media “smear campaign.”

He said he would support women continuing to serve in combat roles “given the standards remain high” — a reversal from his prior stance. He insisted he believed gay people could serve in the military — another shift. He issued a blanket denial of the sexual assault allegations that have hung over his nomination and brushed aside accusations about his past alcohol consumption as “false.” And he accused the “left-wing media” of being out to “destroy me.”

In doing so, Hegseth gave cover to Republicans looking for ways to back him. Armed Services Chair Roger Wicker (R-Miss.) hailed Hegseth’s hearing afterward as a “tour de force, a takedown, a triumph” that “I don’t think … could have gone any better.” Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.) walked away saying he believed Hegseth “absolutely” had the votes to move forward.

Gut check: Senate Majority Leader John Thune was less emphatic Tuesday, saying he had received reports that Hegseth was making a “strong argument” and that “if he’s reported out of the committee, we will work quickly to get him across the floor.” And Majority Whip John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) said Hegseth “is giving strong answers to tough questions. He’s confident, knowledgeable, and should be confirmed quickly.”

Of course, some key Republicans are still mum on whether they’ll support Hegseth — and are airing doubts on other incoming Trump nominees. Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa), a key holdout, sought assurances from Hegseth about women serving in combat roles during the hearing (more on that below). Elsewhere, Sen. John Curtis (R-Utah) said at a POLITICO Live event Tuesday that he’s still undecided on Hegseth and that former Rep. Tulsi Gabbard has not done enough to win his support. Other Trump picks that likely have some cleanup to do include Gabbard for director of national intelligence, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for Health and Human Services secretary and Kash Patel for FBI director.

Democrats will likely take their best shot at those nominees, as well. But Sen. Mark Kelly (D-Ariz.) acknowledged his party’s resistance to Hegseth is likely futile. Asked whether he thought any senator left the hearing with a changed mind — or if Hegseth said anything to make him more comfortable in confirming him — Kelly seemed resigned: “No.”

— Lisa Kashinsky, with assists from Ursula Perano and Jordain Carney

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HEGSETH TAKEAWAYS

Hegseth’s hearing lasted more than four hours, and Democrats got in quite a few digs. But the person everyone was really watching was Ernst, who initially expressed reservations about Hegseth leading the Defense Department.

But the Iowa Republican, sexual assault survivor and Army veteran engaged in a cordial and non-confrontational questioning of the Defense Secretary nominee. She didn’t say how she’d vote on his nomination — if Ernst isn’t willing to oppose him, he’s got a good chance at clearing the Senate.

Still, it seemed Democrats continued trying to make a case to her and other Republicans who might be on the fence that he isn’t qualified. Some notable moments:

  • Ranking Member Jack Reed set the tone for Democrats, stating bluntly at the beginning that he did not believe Hegseth was qualified for the position. Typically not a blustery lawmaker, the Rhode Island Democrat noted that he has voted to confirm all former Defense Secretaries — including under the first Trump administration. “Mr. Hegseth, I do not believe that you are qualified to meet the overwhelming demands of this job,” Reed said. “We must acknowledge the concerning public reports against you.”
  • Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.), an Army combat veteran, targeted Hegseth’s lack of experience, taking him to task for not being able to name one of the three main international security agreements the Defense secretary would lead. She then asked Hegseth how many countries are in ASEAN (the Association of Southeast Asian Nations), which is tasked with promoting peace and stability in Southeast Asia. Hegseth responded he didn’t know, but that the US has allies in South Korea, Japan and Australia — none of which are ASEAN countries.
  • Women in combat: Much of Democrats’ questioning of Hegseth today focused on his past comments that women should not serve in military combat roles. His responses on why he has now changed his tune didn’t appear to satisfy Democrats; at one point he said: "Women in our military, as I have said publicly, have and continue to make amazing contributions across all aspects of our battlefield." Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) asked during the hearing why women should “believe that they would have a fair shot and an equal opportunity to rise through the ranks?”

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MINIMAL DEM DEFECTIONS ON TRANS SPORTS BILL 

House Democrats minimized defections on a GOP-led bill to ban transgender athletes from playing in girls sports; only two Democrats voted for it and one voted present.

Reps. Vicente Gonzalez (D-Texas) and Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), who hail from border districts with a socially conservative lean and faced a deluge of GOP attack ads on transgender issues, backed the legislation.

"I've always believed that biological males should not play sports with girls and and even though this is a messaging bill for a lot of Republicans, if we don't win elections, we can't help marginalized communities,” Gonzalez said. “This is the type of vote that they put on the floor for no other reason than to try to defeat you in your next campaign. So let's be smarter than what we've been in the past."

Rep. Don Davis (D-N.C.), who voted “present,” said he believed the issue was worth “conversations” but added that “I wasn't totally convinced on the bill.”

Democrats have publicly grappled over the best way to respond to Republican attacks on transgender rights — some in the party had chalked up their November losses to a failure to adequately respond to those missives. Leading up to Tuesday’s vote, Democratic leaders worked to whip votes against the bill, and lawmakers delivered what attendees described as powerful and emotional testimonials about the legislation during Tuesday’s caucus meeting, according to three people familiar with the matter granted anonymity.

Rep. Sarah McBride (D-Del.), the sole transgender member of Congress, tried to stay above the fray.

“I have two questions: How does this lower costs for workers? And how on earth is this going to be enforced?” she said in a brief interview.

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TOMORROW IN CONGRESS

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WEDNESDAY AROUND THE HILL

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  • 9:30 a.m.: Pam Bondi’s hearing for attorney general
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  • 10 a.m.: Sen. Marco Rubio’s (R-Fla.) hearing for secretary of State
  • 10 a.m.: John Ratcliffe’s hearing for for CIA director
  • 10 a.m.: Sean Duffy’s hearing for Transportation secretary
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