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POLITICO Global Insider

By Nahal Toosi

Welcome back to Global Insider’s Friday feature: The Conversation. Each week a POLITICO journalist shares an interview with a global thinker, politician, power player or personality. This week, Senior Foreign Affairs Correspondent Nahal Toosi talks to a top executive at a leading non-profit promoting global human rights and democracy.

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The Conversation

This week, Niger became the latest country — and one of several in West Africa in recent years — to see its democracy imperiled. A group of security officials reportedly took its president captive — a coup endorsed by Niger’s military.

The still-unfolding situation is something of a surprise given the stalwart U.S. and French support for a country that seemed more stable than many of its neighbors. That is, unless, of course, you’re someone like Laleh Ispahani, whose job revolves around trying to prevent such authoritarian efforts from taking root.

Ispahani is the executive director of Open Society-U.S., part of billionaire philanthropist George Soros’ network promoting human rights and democracy. Her work is non-partisan, but she’s worried about political polarization, including in the United States, and the effect it has on democratic institutions and norms around the world.

Our conversation has been edited for clarity and space. 

We’ve been told for years now that there’s an intensified global competition between democracy and autocracy. Which side is winning? 

Democracy is having some success. It’s winning battles, but perhaps not the war. If you think about just the U.S., these ideas that were espoused by an evolving right were breathed new life with the [Donald] Trump election and administration and by authoritarian forces beyond the U.S. As an example, look at Florida. Gov. [Ron] DeSantis. He is running what’s really a classic authoritarian playbook, with pages taken right out of [Viktor] Orbán’s Hungary.

We can also look at autocracy and democracy more globally. I do think the US remains a strong global voice, even if democracy globally is in recession. There are still bright spots for democracy. There’s Armenia, D.R., Brazil, Colombia, potentially Zambia. A multipolar world doesn’t necessarily mean they’re autocratic nations, or that China and Russia have won a global battle. I think the small democratic states collectively have power in every region of the world and they often just need to band together.

The Open Society Foundations’ founder, George Soros, is a favorite bogeyman of autocrats, conspiracy theorists and others. How does that affect your work?  

We work on democratic accountability in the U.S. and around the world. We really just do our work. In some ways, I’ll tell you, he’s proud of his enemies. It makes him feel like he might be doing something right.

 

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How is the Biden administration doing on the global democracy front? It makes a big deal about promoting democracy, but it also hobnobs with plenty of dictators in the standard U.S. foreign policy tradition. 

There’s no doubt the U.S. plays an influential role in helping to sustain democracy around the world. But it has to do a better job at home. The administration has made real inroads toward showing that its democratic political systems can and will deliver for people.

The administration basically passed a series of landmark policies which offered Americans a once-in-a-generation opportunity to see the American economy remade in an equitable way. If implemented well, we then have a chance to redraw the country’s political economy to make future policy wins easier, whether it’s on climate or beyond.

In your years in this field, what has surprised you the most? 

Thinking about democracy globally, it is this rise of social media, which has had a huge negative effect on democracies around the world. There were major issues around the Rohingya on Facebook, numerous other examples. Next year is a big year for elections globally. I remain concerned.

These issues are personal to me, from my family history. I grew up in places that were basically swamped by political turmoil, when there was a war, martial law and racial strife, revolution. I felt like I thought we were dealing with a set of systems and structures. We have now to take on a set of technology issues that are not just technology issues – they are really our democracy issues.

Is artificial intelligence a threat to democracy? 

It could be. We are looking at many potential concerns in this area and just beginning to understand the potential of generative AI tools.

We can make strides [to protect democracy] already if we focus on two things. One is what I call dumb AI and another is basic privacy laws. Even as we track the debate and evidence on generative AI … we should and can do something about the kinds of tech tools that are already being used to deny opportunities, expand discrimination and really harm marginalized populations.

I’m talking about tenant-screening algorithms that deny housing, facial recognition tools that misidentify people of color at far higher rates, worker management tools that invade privacy and incentivize employers to ignore safety in the name of higher profit.

Is partisanship a threat to democracy? 

We look at it as being more about polarization.

One of the things that happens in autocracies is there’s a success that extremists have in mainstreaming what are essentially sometimes working-class voters’ demands and their grievances even as they pass policies against their interests.

Somebody like a Gov. DeSantis can be very successful partly because of a hollowed-out media landscape. What that does is people end up looking through this sort of a ‘team lens’ rather than a policy lens.

We’re focused on the structural asymmetries that allow minoritarian power to completely trample majority will in this country. And those structural asymmetries include polarization caused by media, and polarization caused by the way Congress is structured. Examples of what follows include the overturning of Roe v. Wade, the Jan. 6 insurrection.

When the right can’t change policy in the country, it changes the rules of the game. Gerrymandering, requiring supermajorities to pass policies, voter suppression, voter intimidation.

If you look at Hungary or you look at the U.S., extremist forces have decided that democracy and frankly, truth, are less important than winning power at all costs.

Thanks to editor Heidi Vogt and producer Andrew Howard.

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