Newsom takes on Desantis (and Hannity)

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Florida Governor Ron DeSantis and California Governor Gavin Newsom face off in a Fox News debate.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and California Gov. Gavin Newsom.

THE BUZZ — Gavin Newsom and Ron DeSantis both got what they wanted last night — a primetime spot on national television.

The American public got… not much else.

Years of pent-up rage (and a healthy dose of political ambition) resulted in more crosstalk and accusations of lying than substantive argument. FOX moderator Sean Hannity spent much of the time trying to get DeSantis and Newsom to stop talking over one another — despite repeatedly saying he didn’t want to “play hall monitor.”

Weeks ahead of the debate Newsom had anticipated it would be two against one, and that was proven to be true. If you include the loaded, factually dubious questions and charts, it was three against one.

Hannity’s questions were transparently crafted to appeal to his conservative viewers, and while he let DeSantis talk at length, he often interrupted Newsom, who found himself struggling to get his points across.

The debate covered all of the usual suspects — abortion, crime, homelessness, cost of living, LGBTQ students, immigration, and President Joe Biden’s record — but it also left us with some notable one-liners and moments that were downright weird.

Our colleagues Christopher Cadelago and Kimberly Leonard parsed through the noise last night, and you can read their takeaways here.

Newsom certainly seemed to have a good time, tweeting after the fact, “that was fun – I could have kept going!”

(Forgive us, governor, but we’re so glad you didn’t.)

Below are some of our most memorable moments and phrases of the night. Let us know what we missed, and which ones will be seared into your memories forever.

Newsom’s needling — "You're trying to get some news and attention so you can out-Trump Trump, and how's that going for you, Ron? You're down 41 points in your own home state,” the California governor said.

"There's one thing that we have in common: Neither of us will be the nominee for our party in 2024."

"When are you going to drop out and at least give Nikki Haley a shot to take down Donald Trump in this nomination? She laid you out."

On retail theft — “A lot of the women tell me they have to take off all their jewelry just to be able to go shopping because otherwise they're gonna get mugged,” DeSantis said.

Newsom defends trans kids — "Ron, these kids just want to live... where is the decency and humanity?" the governor said.

“I don't like the way you demean people. I don't like the way you demean the LGBTQ community. I don't like the way you demean and humiliate people you disagree with, Ron.”

The poop map — At one point DeSantis pulled out a San Francisco map covered in brown splotches indicating all the places humans have defecated.

"Human feces is now a fact of life, except when a communist dictator comes to town," he said, referencing Xi Jinping's presence at APEC.

Bonus comment: “California does have freedoms that the other states don't: You have the freedom to defecate in public in California,” DeSantis said.

The age question — “I will take Joe Biden at 100 versus Ron DeSantis any day of the week at any age,” Newsom said.

Newsom’s 2028 campaign slogan? — "We all want to be protected, respected and connected.”

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DEEP IN BLUE TERRITORY: Nearly two hundred people gathered at Manny’s, a bar and event venue in San Francisco’s Mission neighborhood, to watch the debate. Owner Manny Yekutiel chimed in as Newsom and DeSantis repeatedly interrupted each other: “girls, girls, girls,” Yekutiel quipped as the crowd howled.

While the audience was decidedly pro-Newsom and progressive, they groaned as the California governor dodged a softball question when asked to say something positive about Florida.

Manny's debate night

A few hundred people watched the Newsom-DeSantis debate at Manny's in San Francisco. | Emily Nugent/Manny's

FRESH INK

Pro-Palestinian demonstrators hold placards during the "No on APEC" protest on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) Leaders' Meeting in San Francisco, California, on November 12, 2023. (Photo by Jason Henry / AFP) (Photo by JASON HENRY/AFP via Getty Images)

Pro-Palestinian demonstrators protest on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) summit in San Francisco on Nov. 12, 2023. | AFP via Getty Images

PARTY POLARIZED — The bitter divide between California Democrats over calls for a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas is about to get even nastier.

San Francisco Supervisor Dean Preston’s office confirmed Thursday that he plans to introduce a resolution at the board’s meeting next week calling for an immediate cease-fire in Gaza, where thousands of civilians have been killed.

Preston’s effort comes just days after the Oakland City Council voted on a similar resolution, a meeting that went off the rails as several speakers spouted antisemitic conspiracy theories and voiced support for Hamas’ attacks on civilians.

A highlight reel showing selected comments from the Oakland meeting drew widespread condemnation from party leaders. Newsom called Hamas a “terrorist organization” in an X post and said the group “must be called out for what they are: evil.”

Tyler Gregory, CEO of the Bay Area Jewish Community Relations Council, said he’s concerned Preston’s measure could “fan the flames of antisemitism, as we saw in Oakland.”

Pro-Palestinian protesters are expected to pack Tuesday’s Board of Supervisors meeting to support the measure. Preston hasn’t released the draft text of the proposed resolution, but he said it would also speak out “against rising antisemitism and Islamophobia.”

A key aspect to watch will be whether Preston’s resolution condemns Hamas for its Oct. 7 attacks that killed about 1,200 Israelis, most of them civilians, including children and the elderly. Oakland council members refused to adopt such language — a move that led many Jewish leaders to call the peace resolution a farce.

The issue has splintered Democrats along ideological and generational lines, with many younger progressives calling on Newsom and President Joe Biden to support a cease-fire.

At the California Democratic Party’s convention in Sacramento last month, pro-Palestinian demonstrators overwhelmed security guards and occupied the meeting hall. Party Chair Rusty Hicks condemned the raucous demonstrators, whom he said inflicted minor injuries on a few security guards.

 

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CAMPAIGN RIPPLE — The issue has also split Democrats in the race for a state Senate seat in the deep-blue East Bay. Berkeley Mayor Jesse Arreguín declined to take up cease-fire resolutions at a council meeting this week, saying in an interview that he thought it was "inappropriate" for city government to take a stance on an international issue riven by "deep divisions.”

A campaign rival pounced. Alameda-Contra Costa Transit Board member Jovanka Beckles lambasted Arreguín in an X post for “silencing” Berkeleyites, calling Arreguín "cowardly" in a followup interview. “It’s a scary thing to have someone running for office" sidestep an issue because of its divisiveness, she added. Arreguín said the flareup helped voters “know where different candidates stand.”

Days earlier, Oakland City Council member Dan Kalb – another candidate in the same state Senate race – tried to amend the city’s cease-fire resolution to add language denouncing Hamas. The motion was defeated in what Kalb called an “embarrassing message.” Similarly, Arreguin said the crowd's jeering when he condemned Hamas suggested some see the group as defensible.

— Jeremy B. White

SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL — Former Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger today will meet with three family members of Israeli hostages in his Santa Monica offices.

The meeting was organized by The Museum of Tolerance Jerusalem (MOTJ) and will be attended by MOTJ co-Chair Rabbi Marvin Hier with the support of MOTJ Trustee Sylvan Adams.

The former governor, who grew up in Austria and whose father was a Nazi, has long spoken out against hate and antisemitism, and has been vocal in his support for Israel in the weeks since the Oct. 7 Hamas attack.

The family members include 14-year-old Ella Shani from Kibbutz Beeri whose father was murdered on Oct. 7 by Hamas terrorists and whose 16-year-old cousin Amit Shani was kidnapped and taken to the Gaza Strip; Jacob Bohbot, 36, whose brother Elkana was kidnapped from the Nova music festival; and Bar Rudaeff, the the son of 61-year-old Lior Rudaeff, a member of the Rapid Response Team in Nir Yitzchak, who is being held hostage by Hamas.

 

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WHAT WE'RE READING TODAY

GETTIN’ BETTER: Recent statistics suggest that San Francisco’s crackdown on organized retail theft is paying off. The Police Department has seen a 21 percent decrease in larceny cases in the past six months. (San Francisco Chronicle)

AFTER DACA: Many college students in California are no longer eligible for DACA due to Trump administration policies, court decisions or their age. That’s creating challenges for higher education institutions on issues like financial aid and employment. (CalMatters)

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