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The PM insists he’s staying. But if he’s thinking about changing his mind, there’s not a lot of time left to make that call.

Three things we’re watching: NATO’s 2 percent target. Pharmacare. The Opposition’s debate wish list.

Playbook catches up with CHRISTYN CIANFARANI to discuss this week’s CANSEC defense-sector expo.

DRIVING THE DAY

Justin Trudeau is pictured looking into the camera.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, shown in Lithuania last year, insists he's staying put. | Pavel Golovkin/AP

TALK OF THE TOWN Prime Minister JUSTIN TRUDEAU has faced one question over and over during the past year.

It has been asked numerous ways, but always goes something like this: Canadians are upset with him, as made clear by the brutal polls, so why won’t he leave — for the good of his party?

At every opportunity, Trudeau insists he’s staying put. If you ask the Prime Minister’s Office, they’ll say he’s answered the question a zillion times already. If you ask around Ottawa, party rank-and-file respond with some form of the same line: I don’t think he’s going anywhere.

— OK, but what if…: It’s his call, and the second he wavers, that’s it — all bets are off, his career is toast and a leadership race informally starts. It’s not something he’d ever admit unless he’s sincerely ready to go. The window for that is closing.

— Count backwards: “He could leave in early summer,” former Liberal finance minister JOHN MANLEY tells Playbook. “After that, it becomes just too tight for the party to put together a race that they would want to have a lot of profile on.”

The conventional view is the party would need something like six months to run a leadership race, hold a convention and vote, then promote a new leader ahead of the next election, likely a year and change out from now. The more time passes, the harder that all becomes.

— Logistics nightmare: ANDREW BALFOUR of Rubicon said in such a scenario, the party would have to take time aside for some hard thinking and planning since it switched from traditional memberships to more of a movement of supporters. “So, then, how do you create a system to elect someone?” Then the financing of it, finding a big convention center, and so on, plus the election-campaign factor. “It's difficult for money to come in for the party to be ready for an election if everyone is donating to leadership candidates.”

— More to the point: “It's not just how much time it would take to run a leadership race,” said former Liberal MP MARTHA HALL FINDLAY, who twice sought party leadership, though she would not talk about deadlines for such a personal decision for the PM.

“The bigger issue is: Will that new person have enough time for Canadians to get to know them and understand what they stand for to put up an effective campaign?”

— Put another way:He’s not running out of time,” said pollster NIK NANOS, “but the party is running out of time.”

— Plus, the dance partner: “At some point [the NDP] are going to have to pull the plug on the parliamentary arrangement, but not trigger an election,” Nanos said. “You can't one day be propping up the government and then the next day ask for votes. So, there's got to be for the New Democrats like a six-month cooling-off period” before the deal expires in June 2025.

— Canada Day watch: Columnist CHANTAL HÉBERT chatted about the PM’s “serious calendar issues” with Spark Advocacy pollster BRUCE ANDERSON on PETER MANSBRIDGE’s Good Talk pod about a month ago, both giving JT a before-July-1st date for his last window.

When Playbook chatted with Anderson, he brought up a timeline counterpoint.

— No ‘hard clock’: “If the Liberal Party found itself in a situation a year from now, where it was 25 points behind in the polls, do I really think that they would get together at caucus on a Wednesday and say, ‘Yeah, let's just keep going in this direction’? I don't believe that’s how the chemistry of politics works.”

Anderson sees the “market as being unsettled,” since there are a lot of voters searching for “a less-right option than Poilievre and a less-left option than Justin Trudeau.”

“In the past, you would need six months, 12 months, 18 months to really build and renew,” he added. “I don't know that the kind of historical takes on this are as reliable in the time in which we live, where opinions can develop in days or hours.”

— No clear successor: Even with the constant rumblings about MARK CARNEY and the full lineup of other potential contenders, several said it’s hard to imagine a dump-Trudeau movement.

“Everything seems to be in a real state of flux,” Hall Findlay said of the hot goss that ebbs and flows in Liberal circles about potential replacements. “My sense is that there's still an awful lot of uncertainty.”

— Why go home?: The PM has one big reason to stay: PIERRE POILIEVRE.

“Here's someone that really, really cranks [Trudeau’s] gears, that he believes he can defeat,” one former senior Liberal told Playbook. “He sees someone who's actively going to undo everything he's tried to achieve”

Journalist STEPHEN MAHER notes in his upcoming book on Trudeau that the PM has told everyone in his orbit that he’s keen for the battle ahead. Trudeau told Maher he got into politics to “have big fights like this, about who we are as a country and where we’re going.”The Walrus ran an excerpt of that section from the book.

— Groundhog Day, redux: We’ve been here before, too. Recently, even. The chattering class watched with anticipation as PIERRE TRUDEAU’s walk-in-the-snow anniversary, Feb. 28, came and went. Justin did not see his shadow. He did not walk.

— The Hill Times today via ABBAS RANA: "Odds are stacked against the governing Liberals, making some MPs “nervous” and “uneasy” about the next election, but caucus members are vowing to go all-in against the federal Conservatives led by Poilievre."

— The POLITICO homepage read:If you think Biden has troubles, just look at Trudeau.

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THREE THINGS WE'RE WATCHING

Canada's Foreign Minister Melanie Joly speaks with the media as she arrives for a meeting of NATO foreign ministers at NATO headquarters in Brussels, Wednesday, April 3, 2024. NATO foreign ministers gathered in Brussels on Wednesday to debate plans to provide more predictable, longer-term support to Ukraine. (AP Photo/Virginia Mayo)

Foreign Minister Melanie Joly takes questions at a NATO meeting in Brussels earlier this spring. | AP

THE TERRIBLE TWO — Guess the throughline on the talk circuit after a chunk of the U.S. Senate wrote to PMJT pressing for a plan to have Canada actually meet its NATO defense spending pledge.

U.S. ambassador to Canada DAVID COHEN said in an interview on West Block with MERCEDES STEPHENSON that Canada has “moved within NATO from being a bit of an outlier to being the outlier in the entire alliance.”

Cohen added the Biden admin also factors in Canada’s defense commitments beyond just the 2-percent-of-GDP target, but “that does not mean that Canada is off the hook after the defense policy update.”

Over on CTV Question Period, the U.S. Ambassador to NATO JULIANNE SMITH told VASSY KAPELOS she doesn’t see “any sign that there is a plan in place to get to that 2-percent mark.”

On CPAC, Globe reporter BOB FIFE said it’s going to be a “very embarrassing moment in Washington when the NATO leaders meet [in early July] if [Trudeau] cannot put something more on the table … and I think there are going to be real consequences for this country.”

A PHARMACARE RUSH ORDERThe Liberal government’s pharmacare legislation enters clause-by-clause today, where sparks could fly but it’s expected to whiz through in a blur.

Health Minister MARK HOLLAND has vowed the pharmacare plan will not disrupt existing insurance plans. But insurance industry stakeholders have raised those very concerns.

— Also on the agenda: The Liberal government’s anti-scab bill is up for third reading debate in the Commons later today.

SUMMER BUMMER — Two carbon tax motions are on the notice paper, with Tuesday and Thursday scheduled as allotted Opposition days.

PIERRE POILIEVRE has put forward one arguing the government needs to “help Canadians afford a simple summer vacation” by temporarily axing the “carbon tax, the federal fuel tax, and the GST on gasoline and diesel until Labour Day.”

That option for debate would line up with the opposition’s latest campaign and meme push.

A second from the Conservative leader focuses on Food Banks Canada's latest Poverty Report Card, which warns of a “critical turning point as poverty and food insecurity worsen in every corner of the country."

The motion calls for an immediate pause of the carbon tax and passing Bill C-234 in its original form to exempt farms from the carbon tax when using natural gas and propane. That bill remains stuck in the House over Senate amendments and hasn’t come up since February.

The motion also makes mention of “Canada's food professor,” so SYLVAIN CHARLEBOIS’s Hansard mentions could be about to shoot up.

— Related reading: CBC’s AARON WHERRY analyzes the politics surrounding the report card.

— Monday’s oppo agenda: On top of those positioning options, Poilievre’s Building Homes Not Bureaucracy private members bill is up for debate first thing today in the Commons.

Bloc Leader YVES-FRANÇOIS BLANCHET’s motion on encroachment into provincial jurisdiction is up for vote after QP.

Where the leaders are


— Prime Minister JUSTIN TRUDEAU has a 1 p.m. closed-to-media roundtable with his youth council alongside Youth Minister MARCI IEN.

— Deputy PM CHRYSTIA FREELAND is in Ottawa and takes part in a 4 p.m. closed-to-media roundtable discussion on economic reconciliation alongside Indigenous Services Minister PATTY HAJDU.

— Conservative Leader PIERRE POILIEVRE has not released a schedule.

— Bloc Leader YVES-FRANÇOIS BLANCHET is visiting Saguenay with MPs MARIO SIMARD and ALEXIS BRUNELLE-DUCEPPE.

— NDP Leader JAGMEET SINGH will address media alongside Canadian Labour Congress President BEA BRUSKE ahead of the big vote on the government’s anti-scab bill. Also on his itinerary: he will join RACHEL BLANEY at the 2024 Women in Defence reception, and then attends the 2024 Terry Fox Humanitarian Award recognition event.

— Green Party Leader ELIZABETH MAY will attend Parliament virtually, since she’s in Chester, Nova Scotia, for a party fundraiser.

DULY NOTED

11 a.m. National Defense Minister BILL BLAIR and Communications Security Establishment Chief CAROLINE XAVIER have a date at the House national defense committee to take questions on Main Estimates.

11 a.m. Immigration Minister MARC MILLER will be at the House immigration committee to brief MPs on temporary immigration measures initiated in response to conflict in Sudan and Gaza.

HALLWAY CONVERSATION

Canada's Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland, left, and Canadian Defence Minister Bill Blair talk to the media.

Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland and Defense Minister Bill Blair hold a briefing during a joint exercise in February. | Czarek Sokolowski/AP

THE NEED FOR SPEED — Some 50 delegations from around the world, mainly governments, are headed to Ottawa this week for the annual boutique arms show and VIP-networking fest that is CANSEC.

The Canadian Association of Defence and Security Industries’ marquee expo runs Wednesday and Thursday at the EY Centre, with a lot of the key convos happening around the margins and a big focus on urgently rearming Ukraine.

A big contingent of Ukrainians is headed here to huddle over some of the technologies their war-torn country desperately needs and how to adapt them to be field ready.

Defense Minister BILL BLAIR and Public Safety Minister DOMINIC LEBLANC both have keynotes scheduled day one, then Procurement Minister JEAN-YVES DUCLOS and Vice Chief of the Defence Staff Lt.-Gen. FRANCES ALLEN the next.

Playbook caught up with CADSI’s President CHRISTYN CIANFARANI for a quick birdseye. The interview was edited for length and clarity.

Can you give us a rough idea of Ukraine’s current shopping list?

They have needs for pretty much everything. They're expending munitions and equipment at rates no one's seen since WWII.

But they do have focal areas. For our show, it’s munitions. The most pertinent one is the 105/155 [mm caliber] rounds, but not uniquely. Field munitions and all variations of armor, from vehicles to body armor. The third thing is UAS [Unmanned Aircraft Systems], what you would commonly call drones, and the technologies to counter them.

All those are things Canada has great competency in.

What do you expect some of the chatter will be on the sidelines this year?

We’ll want updates from the ministers around things that are in that budget — How are they proceeding? Are there any contract awards they can announce? With the minister of national defense, we want to understand the relationship he wants to foster or change with industry. We have our own ideas, too. That'll all be on the margins.

And then there's going to be the things that were in exploration in the Defense Policy Update that don't have any money allocated to them. I am sure there will be pre-positioning going on by many nations.

National Defense will be looking around trying to understand what the state of that technology is going to be in two to five to 10 years from now.

Are you worried about larger protests this year given the ongoing war in Gaza has activated so many people?

The show always has protests because of the nature of the type of business we're in. This year we have an expectation that it will be spicier than normal.

The good news is that this event because it is so large and important to Ottawa, we have the full support of the Ottawa Police Service, as well as they have partners that they're pulling on.

I'm quite confident that while it may be a slightly different dynamic, that with the intelligence that's being gathered and the plan we have in place will make it a safe and enjoyable environment for our delegates. Come early.

 

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MEDIA ROOM


ASHLEY BURKE of CBC News tracks the Liberals chasing after younger voters through the PM’s podcast appearances.

— In the Star, SUSAN DELACOURT and MATT GURNEY mull the question: Who wants a foreign policy election, Trudeau or Poilievre?

— The National Post ran an excerpt from ANDREW LAWTON’s upcoming book: “The time Poilievre got a dressing-down from STEPHEN HARPER.

— From our colleagues in Brussels: A beginner’s guide to the EU election.

JASON MARKUSOFF of CBC News does a deep dive into some of JANET BROWN’s polling on sentiment about Alberta Premier DANIELLE SMITH’s UCP government ahead of the first anniversary of the provincial election.

— From the Toronto Star’s RAISA PATEL:Poilievre says Trudeau legalized hard drugs in British Columbia. Is that true?

PROZONE


For POLITICO Pro subscribers, our latest policy newsletter by ZI-ANN LUM and KYLE DUGGAN: Freeland evasive on global billionaire tax.

In other news for Pro readers:  

Trudeau deflects NATO spending appeal from US senators.

USTR to hike duties on more than 200 Chinese goods.

China and India blocking global levy on multinationals, Italy says.

California senator drops bill creating Big Tech tax credit to fund newsrooms.

Nuclear bill stumbles in face of Democratic opposition.

PLAYBOOKERS


Birthdays: Former Sen. MIKE DUFFY, B.C. MLA FIN DONNELLY, former MP STEPHEN FUHR … GABRIELLE BERARD (former staffer to the late JIM FLAHERTY) now GR for Novo Nordisk.

More birthdays: Journalist and media consultant THALIA ASSURAS, former MLA KAREN LEIBOVICI, former Quebec politician YVES DUHAIME and former Peterborough Mayor DARYL BENNETT.

Got a document to share? A birthday coming up? Send it all our way.

Spotted: Door knocking in Toronto-St. Paul’s … Justin Minister ARIF VIRANI and MP FRANCESCO SORBARAboth out in the field for LESLIE CHURCH.Conservative MP RANDY HOBACK and CPC Oakville North — Burlington candidate HANAN RIZKALLA out canvassing for Conservative candidate DON STEWART, who opened his campaign office over the weekend with Conservative Deputy Leader MELISSA LANTSMAN.

Ontario Premier DOUG FORD, not ruling out an early election.

MICHELLE REMPEL GARNER marking her five-year wedding anniversary with JEFFREY GARNER.

JODY WILSON-RAYBOULDcelebrating her niece KAYLENE’s graduation from UBC.

Liberal MP BRENDAN HANLEY using his SO31 to mark the closing of the Whitehorse Star, which served Yukon for 124 years with the motto, “Illegitimus non-carborundum” (Don’t let them grind you down).

Movers and shakers: From the PM’s Friday public service mini-shuffle: Secretary of the Treasury Board CATHERINE BLEWETT, who is soon to retire, becomes a senior official at PCO as of June 3. … National Defense Deputy Minister BILL MATTHEWS moves to become secretary of the Treasury Board. He will be replaced by Agriculture DM STEFANIE BECK … Associate Deputy Environment Minister LAWRENCE HANSON will become DM for Ag.

RON HALLMAN reappointed as CEO of Parks Canada, as of Aug. 28.

House committee lineup changes: MP FRANCESCO SORBARA swapping in for PATRICK WEILER on finance, while WEILER takes over for SORBARA on Public Accounts. WEILER for JOHN ALDAG at Indigenous and northern affairs, while MAJID JOWHARI replaces ALDAG at natural resources. VANCE BADAWEY for SORBARA at industry. ARIELLE KAYABAGA for JOWHARI at health; MIKE KELLOWAY for KAYABAGA on science and research.

In memoriam: ICYMI from Policy Magazine,a belated farewell to the late BRIAN MULRONEY from L. IAN MACDONALD.

ON THE HILL


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11 a.m. Defense Minister BILL BLAIR will be at the House committee on national defense with deputy BILL MATTHEWS. CAROLINE XAVIER of the Communications Security Establishment will also be at the meeting where MPs will review Main Estimates.

11 a.m. The House justice and human rights committee continues its study of antisemitism on campus with the help of officials from Universities Canada, Concordia University, McGill University, University of British Columbia and the University of Toronto.

11 a.m. The House industry committee will take Bill C-27 through clause-by-clause consideration.

11 a.m. Immigration Minister MARC MILLER will be at the House citizenship and immigration committee to take MP questions on temporary immigration measures related to ongoing conflicts in Sudan and Gaza.

11 a.m. The joint committee on the scrutiny of regulations will continue its review of statutory instruments.

11 a.m. The House government operations and estimates committee will pick up its study on federal regulatory modernization initiatives.

11 a.m. The House Indigenous and northern affairs committee will start the meeting by electing a chair, before moving on to examine tax revenues from businesses on First Nations territories.

3:30 p.m. The House health committee will take Bill C-64 through clause-by-clause consideration.

3:30 p.m. The House foreign affairs and international development committee will hear from department officials on Canada’s approach to Africa.

3:30 p.m. Official Languages Commissioner RAYMOND THÉBERGE will be at the House official languages committee to take questions about his annual report.

3:30 p.m. The House human resources committee will launch a study on federal housing investments.

4 p.m. The Senate national security committee will meet to continue its study of Bill C-69. Former Liberal health minister and ex-UN ambassador ALLAN ROCK is on the witness list.

5 p.m. The Senate official languages committee will study issues related to minority-language health services. Senators will play host to the official languages commissioner RAYMOND THÉBERGE, his second parliamentary committee of the day.

6:30 p.m. Officials representing the canola, soy, cattle and fisheries sectors will be at the special Canada-China committee’s study on bilateral relations.

Behind closed doors: The House veterans affairs committee will discuss committee business.

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TRIVIA


Friday's answer: Premier ANDREW FUREY stood in as next of kin for the transfer of remains ceremony during the homecoming of an unknown Newfoundland Regiment soldier.

Props to MARCEL MARCOTTE, JOHN ECKER, DARRYL DAMUDE, LAURA JARVIS, ROBERT MCDOUGALL, KATHERINE FEENAN, ANDREW FITZPATRICK, FRANCIE FORD, Star reporter ALEX BALLINGALL who even wrote a story on it, and GEORGE SCHOENHOFER.

Today’s question: After Parliament burned down in 1916, the House of Commons relied on a substitute wooden mace until a permanent replacement could be forged out of sterling silver and gold. On which day of the year does the old wooden mace get put back into use?

Send your answer to ottawaplaybook@politico.com

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