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WHAT RUBEN GALLEGO IS READING — Arizona Secretary of State ADRIAN FONTES said an abortion-rights voter referendum has enough signatures and will go before voters in November. The constitutional amendment would make abortion accessible for the first 24 weeks of pregnancy. More from the Arizona Republic

Elon Musk talks with then-President Donald Trump.

Elon Musk talks with then-President Donald Trump, May 30, 2020, in Cape Canaveral, Florida. | Alex Brandon/AP

THE DONALD AND ELON SHOW — Over the course of the past month, the presidential race has been transformed from a marathon to a sprint. What had been a grueling endurance contest, with plenty of opportunities for stumbles and recoveries, is now a race of power and precision.

Like a 100-meter dash, where victory is measured in hundredths of a second, every step taken requires care and intention (just ask NOAH LYLES). Which is why Republicans have begged former President DONALD TRUMP to wise up, stop litigating the past and zero in on defining his new opponent in the race.

Consider, then, how Trump chose to spend three hours last night: in the company of controversial tech mogul ELON MUSK, his now-enthusiastic endorser and would-be financial patron.

The one-on-one conversation on Musk’s X platform was billed as “unscripted with no limits on subject matter.” It came hours after Trump re-activated his account for the first time since he was banned in the aftermath of the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.

What ensued wasn’t exactly a tightly calibrated spectacle. It began more than 40 minutes late due to technical difficulties — with eager listeners locked out and Musk blaming hackers — drawing inevitable comparisons to another Florida Man Trump won’t be happy about. Once the conversation got going it was a two-hour-plus meander through the former president’s usual obsessions, which only occasionally touched on his actual opponent, VP KAMALA HARRIS.

“It was hyped by Trump’s team as ‘the interview of the century,’” WSJ’s Vivian Salama, Alexa Corse and Alex Leary write, “but the audio-only event felt more like overhearing a telephone call, often with rambling, between two figures who have grown closer as Musk’s politics have shifted to the right.”

The two men spent much of the time praising each other. Musk launched the conversation with an extended discussion of the candidate’s brush with assassination, a moment he called “incredibly inspiring,” while Trump went on about Musk’s “fertile mind” and the size of his online audience. (The talk at its peak had about 1.3 million listeners, which would be a not-especially-impressive audience for a prime-time cable news show, though X claimed a total audience of more than 16 million.)

The content otherwise would ring familiar to anyone who has seen a Trump rally speech. The former president celebrated his relationships with strongmen leaders like North Korea’s KIM JONG UN and Russia’s VLADIMIR PUTIN. He promised the “largest deportation” in history if re-elected. He once again claimed, without evidence, that countries around the world are emptying jails and mental institutions and sending them to the U.S. border. He repeated lies about the 2020 election, repeating that he had beaten President JOE BIDEN nearly four years ago, natch.

Related reads: “Trump Regales Elon Musk With Familiar Falsehoods,” by NYT’s Linda Qiu … “Trump’s interview with Musk devolves into yet another X catastrophe,” by Brittany Gibson

Musk on occasion tried to steer Trump into more broadly appealing territory, suggesting that not all illegal immigrants are criminals or mentally ill; that climate change is not in fact a hoax, even if oil-and-gas companies get blamed unfairly for it; and that Trump would do well to create a blue-ribbon commission on government efficiency.

Trump instead returned to his usual hobby-horses. And while he attacked Harris throughout the 125-minute conversation, he rarely did so in any disciplined way. The most sustained salvo came more than an hour into the conversation after a discussion of the relative risks of nuclear energy (fallout is “not as scary as people think,” Musk said) and a Trump riff on his court cases and Biden’s physical condition (“I looked at him today on the beach … The guy could barely walk”).

Only then did he deliver the bread-and-butter of his campaign attack: that Harris is at heart a far-left radical who is changing her positions for political purposes.

“Our country is becoming a very dangerous place, and she is a radical left San Francisco liberal, and … now she's looking like he's she wants to be more Trump than Trump,” Trump said. “And if she's going to be our president, very quickly, you're not going to have a country anymore, and she'll go back to all the things that she believes in.”

Later he betrayed frustration at Harris’ recent surge in favorability, making note of Harris’ “free ride” this week on the Time magazine cover: “She looks like the most beautiful actress ever to live,” he said. “Actually, she looked very much like a great first lady, MELANIA. She didn’t look like Kamala [which he pronounced “Camilla”]. But of course, she’s a beautiful woman, so we’ll leave it at that, right?”

In the end, there was plenty of red meat for Trump’s staunchest supporters, with plenty left over to feed the two men’s sizable egos. What there wasn’t was a clear message for voters not already in the Trump column.

As Trump went on one of his many tangents about Biden, we were put in mind of another Olympic footrace — the 1500-meter finals last week, where longtime rivals JAKOB INGEBRIGTSEN of Norway and JOSH KERR of the Great Britain tangled for three-and-a-half laps. They hardly noticed as American COLE HOCKER sidled himself into position for the home stretch — and ran past for the gold.

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PROGRESSIVE CHECK-IN — It’s been a stretch for the progressive flank in the House. As Ally Mutnick and Sarah Ferris put it this morning, they “just watched pro-Israel super PACs spend jaw-dropping sums to wipe out two top liberals in Congress. And leaders fear they have no way to stop it from happening again in 2026.”

Reps. JAMAAL BOWMAN (D-N.Y.) and CORI BUSH (D-Mo.) saw a combined $25 million in ads dropped on them by an AIPAC-linked super PAC, making them the two most expensive House primaries ever.

“I think they smell success,” said Sen. BERNIE SANDERS (I-Vt.), the godfather of congressional progressives. “The point is not just them going after Jamaal and Cori, which is terrible. It is the intimidating presence they have over every member of Congress. ... It bothers me that there hasn’t been more outrage.”

There also hasn’t been much of an effort “to match AIPAC’s power, with no big-money fundraising machine and no powerful nationwide door-knocking operation,” Ally and Sarah write. “And while progressives boast large numbers and significant power in Congress, they fear that those pro-Israel super PACs will continue to target high-profile lawmakers one by one.”

On the other hand, some of the left are feeling upbeat about the foreign policy of a possible Harris administration.

In a fascinating story out this morning, Nahal Toosi, Phelim Kine and Joseph Gedeon look at how a cadre of progressives in the national security space are already angling for new federal gigs should Harris win in November.

As they note, the Democratic foreign policy establishment for Democrats has been “dominated by people connected to BILL and HILLARY CLINTON, many of whom then worked for BARACK OBAMA (including Hillary Clinton herself). After the interlude of the [Trump] years, Biden pulled in many people he knew from his time as vice president under Obama and decades in the Senate, where he was a foreign policy specialist.”

In Harris, they see the possibility of a fresh start — and the opportunity to influence policy from inside an administration for the first time ever, in some cases: “Some of Biden’s appointees are likely to leave, and Harris may want to signal that she’s her own president, not merely an echo of her predecessor.”

PLAYBOOK METRO SECTION — “Campaign to recall D.C. lawmaker Charles Allen fails to qualify for ballot,” by WaPo’s Meagan Flynn: “The campaign began with a bang this winter, powered by a group of Democrats with political chops and attracting residents fed up with crime in areas like Capitol Hill and Navy Yard. But it drew intense opposition from [Ward 6 Council member CHARLES] ALLEN’s supporters, who saw the recall as a misguided attempt to blame a single official for a much larger problem while offering no solutions or alternative candidate. The campaign gathered about 5,500 signatures, short of the 6,225 required.”

WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY

On the Hill

The Senate and the House are out.

What we’re watching … Today marks one month since the assassination attempt on Trump, and besides the FBI and internal Secret Service investigations now underway, a special House task force is now also on the case. The NYT’s Luke Broadwater offers dueling profiles of Reps. MIKE KELLY (R-Pa.) and JASON CROW (D-Colo.), who will together lead the task force. Notably, Kelly — a Butler, Pennsylvania, native — tells Broadwater he had early concerns about the rally site that he shared with the Trump campaign: “I said, ‘I think that’s a mistake’ … And the answer back to me was, ‘Congressman, we’ve already made a decision.’ I said, ‘You folks have absolutely no idea what you’re doing.’”

At the White House

Biden and first lady JILL BIDEN will travel to and from New Orleans. At Tulane University at 4:30 p.m. Eastern, they’ll tour and speak about the Advanced Research Projects Agency for Health’s “cancer moonshot” work.

Harris will have staff meetings and briefings.

On the trail

Minnesota Gov. TIM WALZ will address the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees in LA, as WaPo previews. Later, he’ll headline a fundraiser in Newport Beach, California.

 

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PLAYBOOK READS

2024 WATCH

Roger Stone at Mar-a-Lago.

Roger Stone appears before former President Donald Trump arrives to announce he is running for president for the third time at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Fla., Tuesday, Nov. 15, 2022. | Andrew Harnik/AP

STEPPING STONE — The allegation of a successful hack inside Trump’s campaign, perhaps by Iran, triggered an FBI probe over the past couple of months, per Josh Gerstein and John Sakellariadis. And the investigation also encompasses a parallel effort to hack three staffers on the Biden-Harris campaign, WaPo’s Devlin Barrett, Josh Dawsey, Tyler Pager, Isaac Arnsdorf and Shane Harris scooped. The imbroglio only became public when our colleague Alex Isenstadt revealed it this weekend, after sensitive materials were leaked to reporters, but it appears to have begun in June. That’s when a spear phishing attempt, linked to Iranian hackers, took place, according to Microsoft, and when the feds started looking into it.

The latest details suggest that hackers targeted the Trump campaign by accessing Trump adviser ROGER STONE’s personal email. Stone told the Post that he’s cooperating with investigators as they try to understand the cyber threat from Iran. Notably, the Trump campaign did not contact the FBI about the hack at first, due to ongoing GOP distrust of federal law enforcement. That Democrats were targeted too shows that the FBI’s scope of investigation — and the alleged pattern of hacking attempts — is broad.

Donald Trump speaks at a campaign rally.

Former President Donald Trump speaks at a campaign rally in Bozeman, Montana, Aug. 9, 2024. | Rick Bowmer/AP

BIG MONEY — MAGA Inc. is laying down a massive marker to help Trump turn the momentum around on the airwaves. The big pro-Trump super PAC is reserving a whopping $100 million in swing-state TV ads just from next week’s Democratic National Convention to Labor Day, Alex Isenstadt reports. The spots will hit the big seven battlegrounds: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. They’re focused on negative definition of Harris as too liberal, with a focus on immigration policy and her prosecutorial record.

In another big move, PAC leader TAYLOR BUDOWICH is departing to join the senior ranks of the Trump campaign, per Alex. In his stead, DAVID LEE and CHRIS GRANT will steer the PAC through the election.

More top reads:

  • Conventional wisdom: Most Democratic angst about the convention has centered on pro-Palestinian protesters expected outside — but NYT’s Jonathan Weisman reports that 30 uncommitted delegates inside the venue could make waves, too. Despite efforts to smooth over tensions, with some success, expect them “to make their presence at the proceedings known” with demands regarding the Israel-Hamas war.
  • The deciders: In Bala Cynwyd, Pennsylvania, CNN’s John King talks to the suburban GOP voters who ditched Trump — but are still considering going back to him over concerns about inflation, immigration and liberal Democrats.
  • Democracy watch: “The nation’s best hackers found vulnerabilities in voting machines — but no time to fix them,” by Maggie Miller in Las Vegas
  • Here’s a tip: With both Trump and Harris now calling for ending taxes on tips, they’re aiming a political appeal squarely at hospitality workers in Nevada. But there are lots of reasons for skepticism from experts on the left and right: Many tipped workers don’t even earn enough to benefit from it, CNN’s Tami Luhby and Matt Egan report. The policy could also open up a new tax loophole for the wealthy and worsen the deficit, Nick Niedzwiadek and Bernie Becker report.

MORE POLITICS

STAT OF THE DAY — Registered Republicans now outnumber Democrats by 1 million in Florida, per AP’s Stephany Matat in West Palm Beach. To understand how astonishing that is, consider that Dems had an outright advantage just four years ago.

THE TIGHTROPE WALK — “Democrats in competitive House races want Harris’ momentum without running toward her,” by CNN’s Annie Grayer

2025 WATCH — Rep. JOSH GOTTHEIMER (D-N.J.) told Axios’ Andrew Solender that he’s “strongly considering” running for New Jersey governor next year — the same verbiage that Rep. MIKIE SHERRILL (D-N.J.) used last week to describe her thinking.

JUDICIARY SQUARE

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. leaves after giving testimony at the Albany County Courthouse.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. leaves after giving testimony at the Albany County Courthouse, Aug. 7, 2024, in Albany, New York. | Hans Pennink/AP

SPOILER ALERT — A judge tossed ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR. off the New York ballot yesterday in a decision that could imperil his ballot access in other states, too, per AP’s Michael Hill and Philip Marcelo in Albany. Kennedy’s team plans to appeal the ruling. But Judge CHRISTINA RYBA slammed Kennedy for listing a New York residency on his nominating documents that was merely a “sham” while he principally lived in California. Kennedy had tried to convince the court that he was merely a New Yorker. But if other courts agree with Ryba, Kennedy’s place as an independent candidate on the ballot in other states could be subject to legal challenges.

Kennedy said staying on the ballot would be pro-democracy, giving voters more options and validating the people who signed his nominating petitions. He did survive a different court challenge in North Carolina yesterday, where a judge said he had not run afoul of state laws for running unaffiliated, per the News & Observer’s Kyle Ingram in Raleigh. It remains to be seen whether Kennedy’s place on the ballot there will hurt Republicans or Democrats more — or if he’ll keep fading to become less of a spoiler.

BEYOND THE BELTWAY

FROM ONE SWAMP TO ANOTHER — “Sasse’s spending spree: Former UF president channeled millions to GOP allies, secretive contracts,” by The Alligator’s Garrett Shanley: “A majority of the spending surge was driven by lucrative contracts with big-name consulting firms and high-salaried, remote positions for [BEN] SASSE’s former U.S. Senate staff and Republican officials. Sasse’s consulting contracts have been kept largely under wraps, leaving the public in the dark about what the contracted firms did to earn their fees.”

GOOD NEWS — Violent crime across several dozen major cities is down 6 percent so far this year, per new data that Axios’ Russell Contreras reports. Some of the individual declines are stunning: homicides down 78 percent in Boston, homicides down 42 percent in Philadelphia and overall violent crime down 41 percent in Columbus, Ohio.

MEGATREND — “Immigrants Are Becoming U.S. Citizens at Fastest Clip in Years,” by NYT’s Miriam Jordan in Savannah, Georgia: “The government has reduced a backlog of applications that built up during the Trump administration. New citizens say they are looking forward to voting in November.”

THE WHITE HOUSE

WHAT BIDEN WANTS TO TALK ABOUT — The White House unveiled a multi-pronged plan to reduce corporate red tape that wastes consumers’ energy, CNBC’s Josephine Rozzelle reports. The “Time is Money” regulatory initiative across multiple agencies, especially the CFPB, will look to make it easier for people to cancel memberships and submit forms, and crack down on misleading customer service chatbots or endless phone trees.

TRUMP CARDS

HEADS UP — “Trump to sue DOJ for $100M over Mar-a-Lago raid, alleging ‘political persecution,’” by Fox News’ Brooke Singman and Lydia Hu

AMERICA AND THE WORLD 

MIDDLE EAST LATEST — The U.S., France, Germany, Italy and the U.K. jointly urged Iran yesterday not to attack Israel, even as Israel raised its military level to high alert and braced for retaliation, per the WSJ. For the U.S., aircraft carriers stationed in the Middle East continue to be one of its most prominent and hardy tools, Foreign Policy’s Jack Detsch reports.

E-RING READING — “China’s Hesai to be removed from US defence department blacklist,” by FT’s Demetri Sevastopulo and Edward White: “US government lawyers were concerned that the rationale for its inclusion would not hold up to legal scrutiny.”

JAN. 6 AND ITS AFTERMATH

THE LONG TAIL OF THE INSURRECTION — “The Vigil Keepers of January 6th,” by The New Yorker’s Antonia Hitchens: “In the aftermath of the assault on the Capitol, a trio of women with family members who participated in the riot moved to D.C. to seek their own kind of justice.”

MEDIAWATCH

THE ONLY ARENA WHERE IT MATTERED — “The New York Times Will Stop Endorsing Candidates in New York Races,” by NYT’s Katie Robertson and Nicholas Fandos: “The paper’s editorial board will continue to endorse presidential candidates.”

 

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PLAYBOOKERS

Debbie Mucarsel-Powell is tacking to the center.

Jerry Dunleavy left House Foreign Affairs and blasted Michael McCaul.

Donald Trump’s campaign office in Ashburn, Virginia, was burglarized.

Barron Trump and Bo Loudon are the former president’s Gen Z whisperers.

Kamala Harris’ sorority has launched a PAC.

Barack Obama put out his summer reading list and playlist.

FIRST IN PLAYBOOK — Laura Thornton is joining the McCain Institute as senior director of global democracy programs. She previously was SVP of democracy at the German Marshall Fund.

TRANSITION — Morgan Tadish is now regional political director at the Democratic Party of Illinois. She most recently was director of research and comms at New Chicago Consulting.

ENGAGED — J.T. Foley, executive director of the Coalition for Fantasy Sports and a Las Vegas Sands alum, proposed to Lauren Kirshner, political adviser to Todd Ricketts and an RNC and Scott Walker alum, on Saturday at Grimes Glen State Park in New York. Lauren’s planned early birthday dinner with family and friends on Canandaigua Lake turned into an impromptu engagement party for the couple, who met through mutual friends. PicAnother pic

WEEKEND WEDDING — Emily Carlin, director of public relations at American Gas Association and a Jay Obernolte alum, and Matthew Ellis, of the Maryland National Guard and Allied Universal, got married Saturday at her family’s lake house in Northern Michigan. The couple met in the aftermath of Jan. 6, when Emily got lost going through the National Guard checkpoints around the Capitol complex and circled past Matt’s duty station several times on her way to Longworth. Pic via Ashley Bassett PhotographyAnother pic

HAPPY BIRTHDAY: Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen … White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre (5-0) … Arkansas Gov. Sarah Huckabee Sanders … CFTC Commissioner Caroline Pham Kristalina GeorgievaLarry WeitznerJeremy Bash of Beacon Global Strategies … Grace Davis of Rep. Nick Langworthy’s (R-N.Y.) office … State Department’s Bridget Roddy … Matchpoint Strategies’ Isabel Aldunate Adam Sharon … GrayRobinson’s Chris McCannellCate Hurley of DOE … Douglas RivlinJosh RomneyScott Dziengelski of King & Spalding … Gabriel Laizer ... AP’s Kelly Daschle ... Bloomberg’s Joanna Ossinger ... Gonzo GallegosOwen Jappen of the American Chemistry Council … Kelly Rzendzian … former Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders (92) … Margot Roosevelt … former Reps. Tom Marino (R-Pa.), Lincoln Díaz-Balart (R-Fla.) (7-0) and Pete Visclosky (D-Ind.) … Ben Pack … Herald Group’s Ansley BradwellAddy Baird Kate Bryan MilliganSara Sorcher

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